Collection Devices: To Use or Not to Use
Gene Daughtry Gene Daughtry
General Manager
Best Ride, Inc. and Petit Jean Financial, Inc.
gdaughtry@cogswellmotors.com
Wednesday, November 10, 2010

Collection Devices: To Use or Not to Use*

I am sure most of you know what collection devices are. Starter interrupt, GPS or combined units are big business in BHPH and LHPH. I have used collection devices in the past. Several years ago, we tried them, and after three companies and many frustrating incidents, we decided that counting on the devices was not good for our operation. When I put together the current operation, I did not even consider having them in the business model.

I am not here to slam collection devices. Dealers must each decide what works for them. If we were in a large metropolitan area and intended on rolling all the cars we could, there would be a GPS unit on every car. Our operation is in a rural area and the clientele is easier to work with than the folks we dealt with in Dallas.

In Dallas, we had 2,500 open notes in a 16-year-old portfolio. When we decided to use a GPS device, underwriting changed. Or, I should say, the attitude of the underwriter changed. The sales guys loved it and sales increased. The collectors first thought using GPS would be great but then the calls started coming in.

“My car won’t start, and it’s that *^%@ device you put on the car!” How many times in service have you heard the phrase “ever since I got the car”? That call comes in more frequently. Customers attempted to somehow tie the device to every service issue and wanted us to repair the car or remove the device at our expense. Of course, most customers want those things anyway, but the device becomes the focal point.

On the other side, our perception soon became that every time we needed to find a car the unit wouldn’t work. We would try to locate the car for two to three days using the GPS and we couldn’t. To be fair, many more units worked than didn’t, but it would invariably be the device on the car we most wanted to find that would fail. Oh, and the fun our service department had installing the units! Sometimes two or three units would have to be wired up and tested to get one that would respond. Granted, this was about 10 years ago. We used three different companies in an attempt to get the right unit. After several months of the above scenarios, we gave up on using devices.

In our current business, we do not use any devices. Here in Arkansas our store has sold approximately 1,800 vehicles in six years. At this very moment, we have not lost one vehicle. We have repossessed our vehicles from places like New York, Florida, Arizona, California, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and others. So far in 2010, out of 700 open loans, we have repossessed 51 vehicles, 34 of which were voluntary. Those numbers work for us because those 51 vehicles collectively made some money. Yes, they represented losses on our books, but the exposure was positive.

Underwriting is the key. Daily diligent collecting with some collector flexibility to empathize with the customer is important. We have a 24,000-mile ESP available that is very comprehensive and keeps the cars rolling. The customer can get the car towed in and repaired with little out-of-pocket expense and our service department makes a profit.

You have seen the disclaimer, “Results are not typical.” I cannot speak for any other operation. I have been involved in three BHPH operations, and I established the third one based on exactly how I felt it should operate. Create a sales process designed to help your collection process. Train everyone in your operation to understand that you are a financial business, not a car store. Create policies and procedures that work towards collections throughout your operation. Throw in daily diligence in your account management and you will be successful.

In my opinion, the devices become a crutch for underwriting. Please understand that I am sure the technology has made tremendous strides. I can see the effective use of a quality starter interrupt/GPS unit in a large city. Had we used some type of device here, we would have invested $450,000 to date just in device expense. Since I have not lost a vehicle and we maintain a 93 to 95 percent recency rate, we have nothing to balance the ledger with to justify that expense.

*Views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial position of Special Finance Insider or Auto Dealer Monthly, LLC.

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Comments
Jay Saul
November 11, 2010 05:42 AM

owner
If you agree or not with the article, the writer has the right to express his opinion. We happen to live in a country that allows this. Gene we are in a Leedom 20 group and have been for years, about 50% of the dealers use the GPS systems, most are extremely happy with the results, however there are still some that have problems with the devices, depending on which company you use. I happen to know some of the sharpest minds in BH/PH and they all do not agree, so as the writer said it is his personal experience that he is writing about. It is a sad day when we get beat up on for expressing our veiw.
Gene Daughtry
November 10, 2010 07:35 PM

General Manager
Sorry if this article upsets some of you. I wrote in several disclaimers. I did say these were my experiences. It is funny that you read into this article that I was bashing devices. I do take exception to being called a liar when everything in this article is true information. Mr. Warner, anyone talking the way you did is the one who's position should be questioned. I helped build and manage a $25 million dollar portfolio previously without devices. I am in a small city now in a rural county and we do the business we chose to. I used $250 per device for my math (250 X 1800 = $450,000). I haven't priced devices in 2 years but I know I'm not far off. At this very moment our company has not lost a car. I do not use a skip trace company. My collector (just 1) and myself find the customers. We had a customer skip 2 weeks ago. We let them land, spent 30 to 40 minutes making some calls and verified where they went (Pennsylvania). We made 1 call to a repo agent and they picked up the vehicle. Other than our salaries we spent $225. The vehicle should be sold tomorrow. We will show a loss on our books but our exposure on this deal will be a profit. This is a typical out-of-state "skip" for us (our first in 3 or 4 months). Good "old school" underwriting combined with diligent collections works well everyday. Could it have been a little easier with a GPS device, sure it could. Like I said before, my experience is that I cannot justify the expense of the devices.

Daniel Warner
November 10, 2010 02:07 PM

President & CEO, Warner Auto Group
Let me start by saying you are living in the stone age as far as technology Mr. Daughtry and I see no reason for a so called General Manager of a dealership that has sold ONLY 1800 cars in 6 years? to be giving anyone advice. You sir are clearly a failure at what you do or you would be selling 1000% more vehicles each month and could afford to professionally install a device on each unit and avoid paying your repo man a fortune. Technology is GOOD. I am curious to know how you came to the figure of $450,000 that you would have spent installing devices on each vehicle. What you are saying does not add up in any way, shape or form. WHAT I WAN'T TO KNOW IS. HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND ON REPO'S,SKIP TRACES AND LOST UNITS. DO NOT SET AND TELL US YOU HAVEN'T LOST ONE CAR. THAT WOULD BE A LIE AND YOU KNOW IT. Stop with the fairytale collection percentages and collection speeches and. You don't sell enough cars to justify the figure of $450,000 for installed devices unless you carry 5 times the amount of inventory you need to properly run your under performing business.. I also agree with the gentleman above on the fact you must have a professional technician(not a shade tree mechanic) install the device and the technology works 99.99% of the time. You sir need to take some training and attend a few hundred seminars before you ever even consider giving advice or writing a column and send it out to REAL businessmen. Whoever let's this guy write advice columns on this website needs to find someone else or stop writing the column all together. This Mr. Daughtry is a true example of an old school know it all who refuses to adapt and accept times have changed. It's not 1980 anymore Mr. Daughtry so please know what you are talking about before you try to talk about it. It's just like the salesman who answers yes to everything the customer says even when the customer knows they are wrong. You have lost all credibility!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S THE FACTS.
Robert Davis
November 10, 2010 12:23 PM

Collections Manager
Mr Daughtry, could you please share with us all your reposession and skip tracing expense per year since you have not lost 1 car.My reposession heat being down from the customers just knowing I can shut the car off and locate it is enough to warrant me using them on every car.We also had a customers car stolen at a day care recently and were able with the poliece to recover the car within a 30 min period.The new devices are small and the harness is easily installed and the software is very user friendly.

Jay R
November 10, 2010 12:09 PM

F&I and collections manager for 5 businesses
I used to collect money,then a few years ago I found the passtime devices.My collections were always great due to getting rid of problem customers but the passtimes let me let the customer know upfront there was not gonna be a problem.I learned in the early 90,s not to become the power co or someone else who made payment arraingments on a regular basis.I would rater not have a giant portfolio and be lying to myself about collections % and have a smaller portfolio that I can collect on and the customer gets 1 get out of jail free card to use at any point in their loan. I have been using gps for over 7 years now and let me say this. Do not pull them out of the box and depend on the installer to find the bad units if any,they easily hook up to a battery box,you should leasrn how to hook up and check your new units before an installer hooks them up,make sure your installer is clear on how important a good connection and a good stealth location is so they cannot be tampered with.These devices if used properly have saved my businesses thousands a year in repo fees/skip fees and locating cars that have left the state.Not using these devices is like still doing deals on a handwritten contract.Learn how to use all the functions in the sooftware and they will become your best friend.Trust me
Toby Reiley
November 10, 2010 11:52 AM

President, FinCo Management
To Mr. Daughty The purpose of the devices is to communicate with the borrower and to lower cost of collections, not to make a bad deal a good deal. It is a lot less hassle to have a customer call us when the device is beeping a payment reminder than chasing them. I know that five or ten years ago that the devices failed. But technology has changed DRAMATICALLY in the past two years. Don't be bashing the new technology bashed upon experiences with the old technology. Had you been at the NABD Underwriting and Collections Conference in Dallas this week, you would have seen and heard all of the data based upon the new technology.


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